In this episode, I’m in conversation with Janice Lee — writer, editor, teacher, and a thinker whose work moves through fragmentation, hybridity, and the fertile edges of language. Together, we explore what happens when dominant narratives — about selfhood, success, time, productivity, even language itself — begin to feel insufficient or misleading.
We also dive into form as a political choice: silence, gaps, and the unsayable; the tension between language as a limit and language as a portal; and how feminist consciousness can resist the commodification of mindfulness and productivity culture.
Ultimately, this conversation asks: If we are always narrating reality, how might we tell stories that make more room for difference, care, and collective liberation? And what are we each still unlearning?
I’m so grateful to share this expansive, challenging, and deeply generative conversation with Janice Lee.











